Photographer's Note
In Morocco it is practically impossible to photograph a woman with uncovered face, even a young one...
Normally I dislike photos with models covering their faces or turning deliberately their head away...This time I somehow liked that effect - I find some mysticism, madness, and ghostly mood here...
I'm curious what you think about it...
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kfreud
(1231) 2007-08-23 0:42 [Comment]
luisafonso
(862) 2007-08-23 1:06
I am with you on this one. She really have a mystic appearance in the middle of all that gold. And the fact you caught her in the middle even boosts that feeling. The open door on the left, the escape root is a very good element. A bit mad, a bit strange, full of mystery. Thousand stories could be made from this one. I like that.
ninaL
(21348) 2007-08-23 1:17
Co mysle ?
Mysle, ze trzeba wstawiac takie zdjecia.
Ona przed toba tak chowa sie, tak ucieka...a przecie Nikonem gwaltu popelnic nie mozna...tym bardziej, ze jej twarzy, ktora tak kryje, nie pokazales...a jej obrone dobrze tutaj widac...I chwala wam obojgu za to, i Tobie, i jej...Wilk syty, i owca cala...a my teraz wiemy, jak to wyglada robienie zdjec w Maroku, jak to jest trudne...Ja mieszkam w dzielnicy, gdzie jest mnostwo ludzi z polnocnej Afryki...tez tu sie nie da robic zdjec...w kazdym razie, juz z tego zrezygnowalam, bo tutaj, oprocz ich wlasnych przekonanc, maja oni przekonania francuskie co do wylacznosci dysponowania swoim wizerunkiem, potrafia krzyczec, i nawet przylozyc...jak wiesz, ja nie z bojazliwych, ale mniej mnie kosztuje zrobienie zdjecia polskiemu bramiarzowi, niz marokanskiej rodzinie we Francji...
Podoba mi sie.
Pozdrawiam. Grazyna.
PS : i jescze jedno : ktos napisal "stolen picture". Nie uwazam, azebys wiele tej pani ukradl...twarzy sobie wydrzec nie dala ;)
syd1946
(1167) 2007-08-23 2:33
As you described it to your title,a daytime ghost!And much more...amazing light,colors and a cinematic frame!I don't care if the model covering her face,i like the shot itself...
Greetings,
Thomas
ben4321
(9875) 2007-08-23 5:27
Sorry Jerzy, but with the apparent distress of the girl (evident in her pose, body twisting away from the camera) I'm not sure if it was really right to take this. Sometimes cultural sensitivities can get in the way of photography, but hey ho, that's life.
The colours are attractive and the light is good, but it gives the impression of being a hurried, snatched photo, which I'm sure it was. The framing doesn't really work in my opinion - maybe excluding the gate and sunlit area would have worked better.
It looks like you took this with quite a wide lens and at a short distance - maybe a tele would have been better for taking photos of unwilling subjects. At least if they were unaware of being photographed they wouldn't get pissed off!
Cheers,
Ben
pasternak
(15185) 2007-08-23 6:20
Well, putting aside the subject of apparent distress to the girl, I must say I like the shot very much, there is a lot of life in it, "forbidden" life let's say, and the very "snap-ness" of the shot plays in its favour here. Very nice colour palette, typical Eastern... good to have these arabic inscriptions above the scene.
Cheers
Alexander
Polonaise
(5802) 2007-08-23 6:42
Caught on the fly ...!
Split of a second decision, push the button.. Done !
Unusual moment...
Decisive moment...
And then...???
Then comes presentation this baby of yours to us, your audience...
Dear Jerzy...
Was your intention to inform us that there was a half-open, blue painted gate in Morocco, and as a proof you are going to show us the piece of it ?
Or... That the signs in Morocco are written in Arabic and you are going to prove it, by including half-cut portion of it in your photo...(???)
Or that huge, empty wall to her right...????
How big that wall has to be to believe in the drama taking place in your picture ???
I strongly believe it's the best picture from your Moroccan series (That is - it would be, if you only sit a bit longer in front of your computer and do your homework!).
Jerzy, my friend... Treat yourself with the respect you deserve...
Critiques given and critiques received can (but they don't have to), turn our hearts into pulp, and our brains into state of self-satisfactory, imbecilic Nirvana !!!
I know.. I had experienced this !!! (:-)))
Be aware...
I miss long lost Bucki...
Did anyone saw J.B. recently...?
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Luv, brother...
Against all logic...Luv..
jurcio-paskuda
bombilla
(3406) 2007-08-23 6:46
Agree with Ben. (Maybe Patrick's words are too harsh.) If someone doesn't want the photo taken, don't take it. Journalism is different, of course. But I'm talking about photos like this, taken for personal expression. I think you have to think of the subjects in your photos as collaborators, partners who deserve respect, not objects. Just offering this because you said you were curious. Best, -Hugh
daisydaisy
(255) 2007-08-23 7:18
Bonjour
Je n'apprιcie pas ce genre de clichι volι.
Nous ne devons pas avoir la mκme dιfinition du mot respect. Il est ιvident qu'il n'y a pas le consentement de cette jeune fille, cette photo est illιgale.
tehanu_f
(6896) 2007-08-23 7:46 [Comment]
broglia
(3604) 2007-08-23 7:55
Hi Jerzy, I would be very recultant to post a shot of someone who so obviously did not want to be photographed. I had a similar experience when a woman was caught in a shot totally by accident, she was very upset, I deleted it immediately.
Lot's of interesting reactions.
Regards, Roberto
Glint
(6171) 2007-08-23 8:15 [Comment]
photilus
(5550) 2007-08-23 10:21
Jerzy,
Sorry, i'm not agree with your picture. You MUST NOT make the photo when people refuse. No interest in your picture except colors.
Best regards
Patrick
LuDivine
(90) 2007-08-23 12:44
Hi Jerzy,
I dont think you should have taken this shot, when you go in a foreign country you should respect the locals as much as you want them (or anybody) to respect you. She was ovisously completely against having her picture taken you should have RESPECT that.
That photo doesnt bring us anything here.
LuDivine
happypoppeye
(4819) 2007-08-25 6:39
You definitely have a fire on your hands here.
First off the good. A fine looking shot, good saturated colors. Good street type composition with an interesting subject and an ironic twist with that smiling door to the left, almost inviting the viewer to compare it to the ghost. The movement in the woman looks good also.
The bad. It's not fair to the woman you are photographing. Imagine a million tourists in your home town, sitting and waiting around the corner for you to come by. Continuously snapping photos, against the belief of your religion. What do you do? Do you dress ugly to try and stave them off? Do you ignore them?...how many people do you try to ignore before you start getting mad. Do you start to try and make money off of it?...I mean, why not, the tourists aren't going to stop anyway. Do you try and explain your beliefs to the tourists?...how much time do you have to do this? What if your in a hurry? Maybe you carry rocks around and everytime someone takes a picture of you, you throw a rock at them...maybe that will help. What comes when that doesn't work...knives, guns...but that only means you will be blamed, most likely in the end, I mean it's only a picture...a situation that happens on a daily basis, hundreds of times a week. Maybe you modernize Meknes, destroy any piece of the older architecture there so the people living there can live in peace...or maybe just make photography illegal.
Honestly, I don't know. I have taken photos like this also. Alot of us probably have. I don't think it's right though. I'm really up in the air about the posting of it. It started a good discussion, at your own expense, and technically it is good. But is it right? I guess only you know the actual situation it was taken in. A half smiley for the actual technicals, not for the subject though.
John
Clairedelune
(4923) 2007-08-25 7:01
What a photo, dear Jerzy! And what a reaction to it!!!!!
Indeed, an interesting question... And I am not sure about the answer. No easy answer, in fact.
I think that the great people photographer can't be always "polite". He/She has to dare. That's the reason I will probably never be a great people photographer...
But anyway, like you say in your answer to some here, you did ask what was the custom there. So, you had more care than many...
The problem is with the number of people who takes photos around. If every traveler have their camera and shoot here and there, it might become annoying... So thank God that many, many will refrain to do so. That way, there will still have some place for the bold photographer...
Still, I am amazed to read so many being against this photo... I am more against photos of, for example, a man sleeping with his mouth opened... But it seems that such a photo will received lots and lots of smiles and bravos. Try to understand!
Now, the photo. I like the slight blur here. It has meaning. Colors of the sun on the wall. Yes, it needs some cropping to get the best of it. George took care of that.
Your best to date? It can be. But I am still waiting for the other one burried... :))
Claire
AiresSantos
(56155) 2007-08-25 7:49
Hi Jerzy,
It isn't easy to make portraits with women in the islamic countries. I like this one, great details, excellent colours and shapness.
Very well framed and done
Have a nice weekend
Aires
jasmis
(58653) 2007-08-26 13:31
Kij w mrowisko, ale tak trzeba. Żaden gwałt, bez przesady. Kawał reporterskiej żyłki.
Pozdrawiam serdecznie.
keithl
(4) 2007-08-31 15:38
For me, you should never have posted this one, Jerzy. The fact that you sought the advice of the locals prior to shooting is admirable. But it seems pretty clear from the girl's reaction that she wasn't "simply covering the face". She vehmemently did not want to be photographed.
If that's the way she feels about being photographed, how would she feel about having the photo published on the internet? I think the best thing would be to delete it.
mrbialy
(2568) 2007-09-11 1:19
super kolory i ten "ghost", klimatowe ujecie, fajne to jest
i w sumie nie wiem o co chodzi z tymi komentarzami, kolory i swiatlo super, fajnie kadr poukladany z tymi budynkami i brama, i jakis "DUCH" biegnacy. wszystko tu gra, jedno z najlepszych twoich zdjec jak dla mnie, ale ja tam sie nie znam w sumie,...bdb
w maroku zrobic dobre i niepozowane zdjecie na ulicy jest prawie niemozliwe, slyszalem od paru ludzi ze mieli wielkie problemy i po zdjeciach zawsze widac na minach ludzi ze niestety nie za bardzo lubia byc fotografowani, chyba ze sie zaplaci pare zlotych to sytuacja sie zmienia, oni sa bardzo lasi na pieniadze, jak nigdzie indziej powiedzialbym, i uwazam ze slowa krytyki tu pod zdjeciem nijak sie maja do realnej sytuacji, a co ma robic czlowiek ktory kocha fotografie w marrocu, nic???????????, osobiscie nie przejmuje sie czy komus sie podoba czy nie, jak mam fajne zdjecie to je umieszczam, czy sie to komus podoba czy nie, jesli jest zrobione na ulicy to nie ma problemu, takie samo prawo masz robic zdjecia i potem je umiescic w necie jak przypadkowy przechodzien "sobie spacerowac", ulica jest miejscem publicznym, (jesli nie wyrzadzasz nikomu krzywdy swoimi zdjeciami) a ja nie widze tu niestety zeby sie komus tu krzywda dziala.
Photo Information
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Copyright: Jerzy Bucki (bantonbuju)
(51815)
- Genre: Τοποθεσίες
- Medium: Έγχρωμο
- Date Taken: 2007-07-27
- Categories: Καθημερινότητα, Αρχιτεκτονική
- Έκθεση: f/10.0, 1/125 δευτερόλεπτα
- Έκδοση φωτογραφίας: Πρωτότυπη έκδοση, Workshop
- Θέμα(τα): mes favorites (1) [view contributor(s)]
- Date Submitted: 2007-08-23 0:27
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