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seve_1 03-30-2011 09:16 PM

posed photos
 
Hope I've posted in the right place.
It concerns me that several of my photos have been removed by moderators due to them being classed as posed.
These posed photos of mine were inspired by TE members who uploaded posed photos.
Having duly read the TE terms and conditions, I accepted this rule and now I make sure none of my photos are posed,
however I've noticed each day many pictures which are obviously posed are uploaded and accepted.
Are these terms and conditions going to change for me when I've reached so many thousands of points?
I feel as if I'm being patronised by trekearth for only having 100 points, whereas those with several thousand points are allowed more freedom.
It all seems a bit hit and miss.
Kind regards
Neil

Didi 03-30-2011 11:11 PM

Posed pictures
 
Thousand of points don't give us freedom to break the TOS.
But yu are able to post such pictures in Treklens.
Cheers

ktanska 03-31-2011 05:46 AM

Posed photos
 
Hi,
I searched for 'pose' in the Terms of Service page, but didn't find such rule.
Where is it?
Kari

Porteplume 03-31-2011 08:03 AM

Hi Neil, Didi & Kari,

The TOS says:
6. Photographs having a studio-like effect, selfportraits and photographs of own reflection or own shadow will also be deleted at the discretion of site moderators. If you wish to post these types of image please consider using our sister site TrekLens.

In fact it should be: "...having a studio-like, posed or staged effect..."

pablominto 03-31-2011 09:52 AM

Strange...
 
So you are practising imaginary rules now.
Maybe you should wait until the change is a written fact, and as such conveyed to the posters?

Porteplume 03-31-2011 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pablominto (Post 1173529)
So you are practising imaginary rules now.
Maybe you should wait until the change is a written fact, and as such conveyed to the posters?

I think "studio-like" says it all... I just said we could - should? - add "posed and/or staged" for people who don't understand that rule.

pablominto 03-31-2011 02:13 PM

Terms of Service
 
I have a confession to make... I have never read the TOS, rather adapted to the system along the way. Besides, the division between TE, TN and TL makes the whole idea pretty obvious.

There is a saying that men never read manuals, probably because we are not so good with words. And any TOS will have a legal aspect, making them even more repelling.

This is my suggestion: Make a statement, in very simple words, about what kind of images that are banned and risk deletion in TE. Then mail that statement to all new members, together with your words of welcome.

Combined with a mail notice before deleting an image, that should reduce the anger that removal sometimes cause.

kajenn 03-31-2011 03:26 PM

Anger..?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pablominto (Post 1173552)
...that should reduce the anger that removal sometimes cause.

Or you could - and should - just disregard the anger! Because that kind of anger is always unjustified.

pablominto 03-31-2011 05:04 PM

kajenn...
 
That is poor marketing my friend, but an effective practice of dictatorship...

The activity in TE is reduced to less than half over the last couple of years, and you suggest that kind of management???

Good luck!

Porteplume 03-31-2011 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pablominto (Post 1173552)
I have a confession to make... I have never read the TOS, rather adapted to the system along the way. Besides, the division between TE, TN and TL makes the whole idea pretty obvious.

I wish people could understand that on the same way you do... We wouldn't have any need to moderate the Gallery anymore... :)

Porteplume 03-31-2011 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kajenn (Post 1173559)
Or you could - and should - just disregard the anger! Because that kind of anger is always unjustified.

I totally agree with Kaj here because, indeed, I absolutely don't understand the anger (any anger) and the way (a few) people are acting. If you knew the words they use sometimes!!! :(

Keitht 03-31-2011 06:52 PM

On the 'Upload' page there is a very clear link to the Photo Guidelines & Terms of Service. If people chose not to read either / both of those sections of the site they are certainly at greater risk of having images removed.
I would like things to be taken one step further with a check box to be selected before any image can be uploaded. The check box would say "I have read and agreed to the TOS of the site". Then there would be absolutely no valid excuse for posting unacceptable images.

ktanska 04-01-2011 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keitht (Post 1173569)
The check box would say "I have read and agreed to the TOS of the site".

Bureaucracy solves everything! Seriously, such check boxes are for lawyers.
Besides, I didn't find mention about 'pose' on photo guidelines page either.
Kari

Keitht 04-01-2011 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ktanska (Post 1173614)
Bureaucracy solves everything! Seriously, such check boxes are for lawyers.

I'm no great fan of bureaucracy, but when probably 80% of images are removed because people haven't bothered to read the rules it's time to do something about it. If we had a pound / dollar /euro for every close up of a flower with poor note that we had to remove the mods would all be rich. :(

emka 04-20-2011 07:32 AM

" If we had a pound / dollar /euro for every close up of a flower with poor note that we had to remove the mods would all be rich".

In March 2011 there were posted 6990 photos, from them 501 were removed for all reasons (for instance it happens that I remove my photos). It is 7.2% off all shots. So, if we divide it by at least 3 (mods), would it be enough to be rich?
What is 80%?

Best
emka

Keitht 04-20-2011 03:49 PM

I received notification of about 120 removed by mods for one reason or another in March and have no idea why the other 380 (approx) were removed, but they weren't removed by the mods.
An average of 4 images a day out of over 200 posted actually isn't too bad, although none at all would be even better:)
34 out of the most recent 48 removed have been close up images of flowers, so my estimate of 80% wasn't too far out. Regrettably it would seem that we wouldn't have made enough money to retire on just yet. :D

emka 04-20-2011 06:30 PM

Hi, thank you for an answer. I have just counted the photos left and all posted. So it seems that more often the member themselves remove the photos when they are not satisfied. Probably my English is not good and I couldn't understand what was 80%, now it is OK. The numbers look consistent.
I do not think there is a problem of the people not knowing the rules and not reading TOS but the interpretation: "unless there's a suitable note they [e.g. close up of flowers] will be deactivated" . So it depends on the note more than on a photo..


Rgds

Keitht 04-20-2011 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by emka (Post 1175690)
I do not think there is a problem of the people not knowing the rules and not reading TOS but the interpretation: "unless there's a suitable note they [e.g. close up of flowers] will be deactivated" . So it depends on the note more than on a photo..

There certainly is a problem with people not knowing the rules, but I accept that it is only part of the problem. Many times when we explain to people why their photo has been removed they respond that they didn't know the rules.

The link between the photo and the notes is a very important one, particularly for the type of image you mention. If there is only a very basic note, for example "This is a pretty flower I saw when out for a walk in the park" then it will not save the photo from being removed. On the other hand a note providing detail about the plant and its environment may well be enough for the photo to be acceptable. One important detail about the note is that cutting and pasting information from other sites is also not acceptable and may also be reason enough to remove a photo. Links to other source information is acceptable and valuable, but cannot be the only content for the note.


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