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Old 07-29-2006, 12:04 AM
don_narayan don_narayan is offline
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Default Trash Photos and Junk Shots and More Rubbish

That dump site in Phnom Penh that... you know the one, the one from which photos have littered TE (sorry, I can never resist such a pun).

Well, here is a little photostory of everyones favorite trash tourist attraction.

I like the photos of this reportage, but, i must say, if a few photogs on TE collaborated, the shots from this place on TE could make these professional photos look like, well...

http://zreportage.com/GARBAGE/GARBAGE_Results1.shtml
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Old 07-29-2006, 02:35 AM
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checked your link, interesting set which I like the cinematics and story unfolding from 1 to 8, like a full slide show. I will leave apart image 9 which is more repetitive.
Hence, I wouldn't agree on this following asumption :
I like the photos of this reportage, but, i must say, if a few photogs on TE collaborated, the shots from this place on TE could make these professional photos look like, well...

Well, the problem is that however gifted our TrekEarth photographers are, very few have story skills, some will rather shoot for the sake of it, others will endlessly repeat the same image. At the end of the day, such key photos like the weighing machine, the money involved, or more general plans of the location, will be forgotten. Looking at this set of 8 photos, I will learn more about the dump than browsing the 100 photos displayed in TrekEarth.

Otherwise as standalones, I agree that there could be a few better photos in Trekearth than in the Zuma reportage. The problem is that you can ALWAYS find better photos...

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Luko
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:51 AM
don_narayan don_narayan is offline
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Actually, now that I looked back at the TE photos of the dump, one could believe that the place is fun since so many kids are beaming with big smiles, which might not necesarily representative of reality (other than the reality that a lot of kids like lenses pointed at them).

But, thinking of the story, wouldn't the layout be better if the key images (scale and money) weren't be set in the middle?
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Old 07-29-2006, 04:10 PM
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one could believe that the place is fun since so many kids are beaming with big smiles...
That's exactly my point Narayan, and that's why the so many photos of smiling cute kid piss me off (other than seeing too much of them, 99% being a copy of what has already been done).

thinking of the story, wouldn't the layout be better if the key images (scale and money) weren't be set in the middle?
To me they're perfectly set there, after the hard working and before a final view and the day taht ends. I simply don't understand the need of image 9.
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Old 08-01-2006, 02:24 AM
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i actually brought some tourists there, and helped make it tourist attraction. what is more , we spend there - lord have mercy - only few minutes and already managed to litter Trekearth ! and we could be story telling , instead of just enjoying our time with those damned cute kids making images that wannabe pros just wouldnt look at. i just think that run for professionalism can kill joy of photography - and i shoot what I feel looks good in a frame. only this counts.
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Old 08-02-2006, 04:55 AM
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Hey Luko, I disagree a bit. You dont see more stories on TE because people long series are not conducive to TE. We put one photo per day and its judged as a stand alone instead of part of a series. Thats the nature of TE I guess, you go for the fireworks on every image instead of posting a story with some informative but rather boring shots. I have 2 long series I shot over tha last week, I wont post the whole thing because some shots are a bit unspectacular and also because people get bored of the same theme I think.

The story is good and some of those shots would score big here, some would flop as stand alones but are good as part of a story. I think there are a few guys here who could develop a story just as good or veen better than the Zuma story.

But still Image #8 and the dust spot. nasty nasty lack of attention to detail. One click in photoshop with the clone tool is all it would take.
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Old 08-02-2006, 02:37 PM
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I disagree a bit. You dont see more stories on TE because people long series are not conducive to TE. We put one photo per day and its judged as a stand alone instead of part of a series. Thats the nature of TE I guess, you go for the fireworks on every image instead of posting a story with some informative but rather boring shots. I have 2 long series I shot over tha last week, I wont post the whole thing because some shots are a bit unspectacular and also because people get bored of the same theme I think.

That's not the analysis I personnally make about TrekEarth (but once again you don't have to agree).
There are LOTS of self called "series" in TrekEarth but instead of unfolding a story, some photographers put again and again the same shot. Which in the end is much more boring than new angles with less firework.

as for me, I don't see any contradiction between being informative and spectacular, nor do I see any with standalone "fireworks" and bore you to death.

Other than that, I have seen photographers in Trekearth, who were trying to give a new "view" to ever photographed subjects, some of the critics they received implied that it was not what was expected from the idea. This doesn't encourage novelty : but it does show a bit of what is in the criticers mind (who are also the photograhers). So I suspect that in many cases, many photograhers will just apply a "pattern" that works, I wonder if ever they would (could)think about something else.

Although I agree Trekearth format is not really suited for real series.

"I think there are a few guys here who could develop a story just as good or veen better than the Zuma story."

Perhaps, may be, who knows, etc. The problem is that according to TrekEarth, apart from a very few photos, the PP dump is a place where cute kids giggle and smile to the lens.

Is TrekEarth made for more contentful photos? I don't know.
Nygus says he prefers to shoot kids there, because he enjoys it, no problem. ...Although I think some people would agree that he didn't make his most striking photos at this place.
But where that misses the point is that you can't put it forward to pretend that TrekEarth people would have done better than Zuma if they wanted to. Would you believe me if I said that if the coach had got Zidane out and put ME in, France would have won the world cup? Ha... logically you'd be very embarassed to say. Perhaps, maybe, who knows, etc.

The problem of the PP dump is that it suffers in TrekEarth of "the cute kid giggling syndrom", which characterizes the photographers by a sheer incapicity of photographying something else than close up kids smiling.

When I think descriptive and spectacular, I can think in a very artistic way of Sohrab, or in a more journalistic way, Markgong. Where are they now? not pretty much active on TrekEarth.

Cheers
Luko
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Old 08-02-2006, 07:53 PM
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Where are they now? not pretty much active on TrekEarth.
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I think as you really grow making pictures, TE is not the best format. Most people who still post here after a certain growth do it because it's one of the cozy places they are used to and socialize into, like you, me (just blahblah for me mostly1), Francis, Henk, etc.... I actually believe the net is still no substitute for making it out in the big/real world of photography, I may be wrong though, and that's what Mark Gong is doing, for example.

About the smiles, God, I do agree with you, but I think what is interesting about a photo (many, even more) is that it reveals the guy behind the camera. I can see how for someone, the smile of a kid in a dump shows resilience, and forces "political" thinking going beyond the cuteness, and if well laid up in a series, the viewer too. On the other hand, I have the uncomfortable feeling that so many galleries of mixed 3rd world "portraits" on Pbase for example, remind me of mug shots in the S21 jail in Pnom Penh. Why, because it's a catalogue that concerns the mug shooter, and never the person in front of the camera.

Apparently, alike the S21 shots, they are extremely popular (save nudes,alluring chicks), the more as faces add up and add up, making the exercice ever more gratuitous in terms of what photography should mean. We are leaving in a world where titillation and entertainment count more than substance.
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Old 08-03-2006, 06:56 AM
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Some might see this as an exaggeration but for the record I am presently engaged in telling a longish story on TE, which took place in two seperate nights in a small township in Tokyo where I live. Each "slide" if you will might be viewed as a standalone but taken together I think you will get a sense of the various levels of activity and social interaction in the crowd around the main events, the dance and drum troupes. Further I think if you read between the libnes you may get some insights into Japanese society as it stands today, torn between a powerful nostalgia for the past and the pull of a vulgar materialism.
But then maybe I'm just deluded into thinking that I'm actualy supplying a story series with definite links. Meybe every picture is the same as the one before...who knows?
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Old 08-03-2006, 07:59 PM
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I think that shooting what happens in our towns and what people do that is unrelated to being just a stat in work or socio demographics is something very valuable. Your parade reminds me strongly of the Cherry Blossom festival here in America. A great day for all to have fun, and kids to get a sense of where they are coming from. Sadly, nobody cares much, as there are people in the pix.... Back to sunsets and boats..At sunset of course! :-)))
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